Talk:University of Santo Tomas

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First rector / Baltasar Fort

The following are the sources which indicate Domingo Gonzales is UST's first rector.

• history_of_the_rectorship
• the_ust_rectors_throughout_the_centuries

Also, plenty of sources indicate it is spelt as Baltasar Fort, not Baltazar Fort. Compare the following:

• Baltasar Fort
• Baltazar Fort (none of the results even mention "UST" or a Dominican priest on it)

I won't even bother to revert back my edit anyway. 49.148.3.232 (talk) 04:45, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Okay thank you for the information. I have made the necessary adjustments. They considered Fort as the first because perhaps he became the first rector when the the Colegio de Santissimo Rosario was renamed to Colegio de Santo Tomas or when the classes started in 1619. As to Gonzales, I'll incorporate the info in the article later. Thank you again. Pampi1010 (talk) 05:54, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

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Former Names

Hello, I added "Real Universidad de Santo Tomás" to its former names, which was its name before it became Pontifical in 1902. I think it needs to be included because references to Rizal used this name, as this was what it was called in his time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.106.139.64 (talk) 13:51, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Redirected colleges

A few days ago Drmies replaced these articles with a redirect to University of Santo Tomas:

• University of Santo Tomas Institute of Physical Education and Athletics
• Alfredo M. Velayo College of Accountancy
• University of Santo Tomas Institute of Information and Computing Sciences
• University of Santo Tomas College of Nursing
• University of Santo Tomas College of Science

I'm not sure if this is justified or not, but I do believe it's a bit much to do without any discussion or announcement. Can those familiar with the subject comment here on whether this was the right call? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 18:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

• • Recently, most constituent colleges of Ateneo de Manila University, and several Philippine schools have been deleted/redirected via AFD. You can try reverting those (UST college articles being transformed into redirects), then he'd bring it up to AFD, then we'll see what happens, if you want to. Howard the Duck (talk) 19:48, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

    Howard the Duck, I'm not really familiar with college notability, perhaps it actually is WP:SNOW, but I don't know. Some announcement/discussion before transforming multiple articles into redirects would be good I think, but that doesn't necessarily require a discussion at AfD. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 02:56, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

    • WP:BRD. You can disagree and revert, then we'll see what happens. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:32, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

      • The problem with those college articles is, they didnt have significant or reliable sources. Nursing only had 3. Good thing I was able to edit Commerce's, Pharmacy's and Med's. I cannot edit UST college articles I am not too familiar with. Hopefully, they'll be restored. Maybe, each article just needs at least 10 sources not related to The Varsitarian or UST website.Pampi1010 (talk) 13:13, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Arconning (talk · contribs) 00:54, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

I will be reviewing this article, comments will probably be finished in the next 48 hours! Good luck to the editors! Arconning (talk · contribs) 00:54, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Considering the amount of the issues within the article, I have to fail it. I wish for the editors to make the article up to standard before nominating it as a Good Article again so that it can pass the criteria. Arconning (talk) 15:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Prose

• I heavily recommend using timephrases such as "a month later", "the following year", etc. The article looks more like a timeline rather than an overview so I suggest using them.

Lede

• References should be moved to the body of the article. See MOS:LEADCITE.
  • Done.
• Add the Filipino name of the college (both official and shortened version, Unibersidad ng Santo Tomas and Pang-Obispo at Maharlikhang Pamantasan ng Santo Tomas), put the abbreviation in the same parentheses, similar to the format used in University of the Philippines Los Baños. Could also put the unofficial name of USTe.
  • Done. (Please add the longer version as well).
• Include King in the hyperlink of Charles III of Spain, for King Charles III of Spain.
  • Done.
• Grammar:
  • Omit with an in with an institutional accreditation.
  • Add comma after country, country with 59.
  • 17 Senators, uncapitalize senators.
    • Done.

History

• I heavily recommend using timephrases such as "a month later", "the following year", etc. The section looks more like a timeline rather than an overview so I suggest using them.
  • Examples:
    • The Royal Decree of May 20, 1865 from Queen Isabella II of Spain gave power to UST for the supervision of all secondary schools. Being the only institution of higher learning at that time, UST acted as the Department of Education of the country. In 1870, the Minister of Overseas Colonies Segismundo Moret issued a decree that converted Real y Pontificia Universidad de Santo Tomas into Real y Pontificia Universidad de Filipinas., being changed to The Royal Decree of May 20, 1865 from Queen Isabella II of Spain gave power to UST for the supervision of all secondary schools. Being the only institution of higher learning at that time, UST acted as the Department of Education of the country. After five years, the Minister of Overseas Colonies Segismundo Moret issued a decree that converted Real y Pontificia Universidad de Santo Tomas into Real y Pontificia Universidad de Filipinas..
    • In 1924, it began accepting female enrollees. The medicine and civil law courses were retained in Intramuros at that time to In 1924, it began accepting female enrollees. At that same time, the medicine and civil law courses were retained in Intramuros.
• José Rizal studied medicine in UST from 1878 to 1882.. I know this is related to the article but I suggest putting more information like, "at that time."
• Uncapitalize Martial Law or any similar wrong usage of the word.
• Hopefully find a more non-primary source for this statement: In the second term of 2023-2024, 33,407 students were enrolled in the university’s undergraduate and graduate programs, while 7,250 were enrolled in basic education..

• Removing:
  • Remove extra archbishop of Manila.
  • Remove as in as the Colegio de Nuestra Señora del Santísimo.
  • Remove comma in renamed Colegio de Santo Tomas, and mostly Americans, living in the Philippines.
  • Remove the in operate during the martial law.
  • Remove comma, then remove the period and switch it with another comma in Quadricentennial Anniversary in 2011.",.
• Replacing:
  • ascribed to attributed
  • made to were in and Bernardo de Santa Catalina who made.
  • On to In in On June of 1606.
  • had written to wrote.
  • that informed to informing.
  • 2023-2024 to 2023–2024
  • was interrupted only twice; to has been interrupted only twice:
• Adding:
  • Add those of after to grant academic degrees similar to.
  • Add comma after University of Salamanca, Royal and Pontifical University of Mexico, Catalina in and Bernardo de Santa Catalina who, The Royal Decree of May 20, 1865, UST's first Filipino rector was Leonardo Legaspi, operate during the martial law, founded on April 28, 1611 and In Supereminenti.
  • Add it was before renamed Colegio de Santo Tomas,

Campus

• UST, the largest university in the city of Manila, sits on an almost perfect square of 21.5 hectares bounded by España Boulevard to the southeast, Padre Noval Street to the southwest, Lacson Avenue to the northeast, and Dapitan Street to the northwest.. This statement needs to be reworked for a more encyclopaedia-ish style, it's more suitable for a feature article in news reports.
• The architectural style of buildings is influenced. Add within the campus after buildings.
• , among others.. Avoid weasel words.
• is an architectural jewel and everyone's image of UST.. A bit informal, suggest rewording or deleting.
• The ₱900 million St. John Paul II Building, inaugurated in 2019, serves as the extension of the UST Hospital.. Reword, put price in different part of the sentence, but that's up to you.

Administration and organization

• Remove space between source [85] and [86].
• A college is called a faculty, a college, a school, or an institute depending on the time the academic unit was established.[15] The "faculties" such as the Faculty of Civil Law were founded during the Spanish colonial period, while "colleges" and "schools", such as the College of Education and the Graduate School have been used since the American period. "Institutes" are organically independent units or adjuncts of a particular faculty or college. An adjunct institute that has attained enough enrollment is separated from its faculty or college and is made into a college in its own right.. Improve the wording just a bit.

Academic profile

• feast of day of St. Thomas Aquinas., add the before the statement.
• for the school year 2021-2022., use endash instead of hyphen.
• 85%ile., I think this is a typo, should definitely change with the proper information.
• In response to COVID-19 pandemic, classes, add the before COVID-19.
• E-Learning, uncapitalize.
• The UST Collection of Microbial Strains, as of 2019,, swap statements.
• Selangor, Malaysia., hyperlink.
• UST, primarily through the College of Science, is setting up a research and training facility building for the UST Laboratories for Vaccine Science, Molecular Biology, and Biotechnology, or the UST VaxLab. Currently, the center is developing inexpensive oral yeast vaccines against COVID-19 and African Swine Fever (ASF)., needs specific dates like year, month, or year and month at least.
• cultural mapping of various national cultural heritage., make heritage plural.
• It assisted in the development of San Pablo City Heritage District conservation guidelines,[153] rehabilitation of Immaculate Conception Parish Church in Guiuan, Eastern Samar, and churches in Bohol and Leyte,[154] cultural mapping of cities and municipalities in Baguio, Pampanga, Iloilo City, Samar, and Leyte, among others.. Change to It assisted in the development of San Pablo City Heritage District conservation guidelines, the rehabilitation of Immaculate Conception Parish Church in Guiuan, Eastern Samar, and churches in Bohol and Leyte, and the cultural mapping of cities and municipalities in Baguio, Pampanga, Iloilo City, Samar, and Leyte, among others..
• Several publications, add within the university or made by the university.
• The university journals have been available in a web portal since 2018., in to on.
• One hundred sixty, make into numerical form.
• 1001-1050 bracket, use endash instead of hyphen.
• and instruction that involves students,, add coma after instruction.
• held over 360,000 books, change held to holds.
• access to electronic resources remotely., change access to accesses.
• Baybayin, hyperlink and use baybayin instead.
• National Cultural Treasure by the National Archives of the Philippines in 2014., pluralize National Culture Treasure.
• (1626-1642), use endash.
• by the Dominican priest and professor, remove the.
• oldest continuing press, pluralize press.
• most of any private educational institutions, unpluralize institutions.

Student life

• waved by the UST Yellow Jackets at the bleachers., add more context about what the UST Yellow Jackets are since their information is just a little snippet of info.
• The highlight of the closing ceremonies is the graduating students' recessional parade through the Arch of the Centuries, which signifies the culmination of their Thomasian life., being called as the "highlight" is a bit opinionated, maybe change the wording.
• homecoming rites, remove italicization.
• Send-off Rites, uncapitalize.
• the UST Symphony Orchestra, is composed, remove comma.
• Buwisit, uncapitalize.
• of IPTV and internet., add the before internet.
• Change Espana Boulevard to España Boulevard.

Athletics

• second-winningest, winningest, words are informal, please switch.
• taekwando and poomsae, poomsae is a part of taekwondo, and taekwondo is misspelled.
• UST men’s senior teams are the only teams that have won gold in all sports disciplines., UST has won the men's basketball title 18 times in the UAAP since 1938 and one in the NCAA, bringing the total to 19. In 2006, the Tigers captured the basketball championship defeating the Ateneo Blue Eagles in two of the three games held. With the championship, the UST tied with the UE Red Warriors with 18 UAAP men's basketball titles, behind the league-leading FEU Tamaraws with 20. The Tigers reached the finals four times in the last decade., The Golden Tigresses, the women's volleyball team, is the UAAP's second-winningest team with 16 titles., As of 2023, UST has won the seniors division 46 times in the 75 seasons that the title has been awarded, including the record high 14-year run., please provide sources.
• but were swept by the Ateneo Blue Eagles, swept is a bit too informal.
• clinched the first game of the finals,, clinched is a bit too informal.
• in all the UAAP events., add of between all and the.

Notable people

• a prime minister of Spain Marcelo Azcárraga, remove a.
• current Archbishop of Manila José Lázaro Fuerte Advíncula Jr. and José Tomás Sánchez, add "As of [DATE]".
• a prime minister of Spain Marcelo Azcárraga, former prime minister.
• In sports, UST alumni include Olympians Jethro Dionisio in shooting, Donald Geisler and Tshomlee Go in taekwondo, and Ernest John Obiena in pole vault., there are more athletes outside of the Olympic who have came out of UST. Please add more.

In popular culture

• The entire section needs reworking, mostly on grammar and layout. Opening line sounds perfect though.
• The architecture alumni include Rod,, The biology students include Maureen Andrada,, fictional characters? Replace with Fictional [COURSE] alumni include... or something similar.
• Thomasians are also featured in the Wattpad novels, I Love You Since 1892, Chasing in the Wild, and Golden Scenery of Tomorrow.. How are Wattpad novels reliable or notable enough to be included in the body of the article?
• I think a list would probably be nice to arrange a timeline of UST's appearances on movies and other media.
• Movies that featured Thomasians include Pare Ko (1995),, move at the top since other movies were referenced above this statement that also included Thomasians.
• include the Sprite commercial, change the to a.

Images

• Every image seems to be relevant and have no copyright violations.
• Suitable captions.

Refs

• Is reference [319], is eCompare.com a reliable source?
• Is reference [348], from LionHearTV a reliable source?
• Is reference [353], from subslikescript.com a reliable source?
• Reference [346] uses Goodreads, a generally unreliable source. See Wikipedia:GOODREADS.
• Checked, no original research.
• References and notes are arranged properly.

Spotchecks

• Detector doesn't show anything, manual check shows nothing. Pass.

Misc.

• Considering it's one of the most well-known colleges in the country, it's incredible that it's stable.
• Article has a lot of issues on grammar and in following the MoS.
• Focused on the article, no relative bias. Very broad information about the subject, a lot of information needs to be sourced though.

Good Article review progress box

Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Athletics -> Sport

Although athletics is a physical culture, it is very likely to get confused with sport of athletics, so I think the header should be changed to "sport", a more general term. It is a wonderful world (talk) 07:10, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:University of Santo Tomas/GA4. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Pampi1010 (talk · contribs) 00:40, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: It is a wonderful world (talk · contribs) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

I admire your dedication to this article, it is clear you have a passion for the subject and have improved the article massively. This article was nominated right back in early April! It is long overdue for a detailed review. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Since this is a massive article, it will likely take me a week or more to review. I have started by reviewing source formatting, copyvio and images. I found some significant issues which will need fixing before I continue the review (especially copyvio), so I will place the review on hold until they have been addressed. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

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Lead

officially the Pontifical and Royal University of Santo Tomas, Manila or colloquially as Ustê (pronounced [usˈtɛʔ]): Needs citation It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Recognition and accreditation

Table needs to be sourced. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

The text wraps a bit close to the table, which looks really ugly, could you add a character or so of spacing? It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

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Health/formatting clock

[56, 59, 146, 147, 150, 161, 220, 273, 293, 349, 380, 386, 393]: Broken links It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Copyvio clock

90.9% on Earwig copyvio detector (see the GA toolbox at the top of this page) is extremely high. It seems as though most the hits are just institution names, which are fine, but it also identifies these clear violations:

The university was registered on January 13, 1908, as a non-stock, non-profit educational institution under Act 1459 with the corporate name of Real y Pontificia Universidad de Santo Tomas de Manila: Copied word-for-word from source, this borders on WP:QF territory but I'll hold of for now, since so far it is only this and the below paragraph which have egregious violations. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

UST operates under the laws of the Roman Catholic Church, as embodied particularly in the Code of Canon Law, the apostolic constitution Ex corde Ecclesiae, the Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines supplementary ordinances for its application of the Ex corde Ecclesiae, and the Philippine government.[15] The university authorities are the chancellor, the vice-chancellor, the rector, and the vice-rector. The Master of the Order of Preachers is the ex-officio chancellor of the university.[95] He appoints the rector of the university upon the approval of the Holy See.[96][97] The Prior Provincial of the Dominican Province of the Philippines is the ex-officio vice-chancellor of the university. The rector is the chief executive officer of the university.[96][98] He is assisted by the Council of Regents, the Academic Senate and the Economic Council. A dean heads an academic unit while being assisted by a faculty council and a regent, who is a member of the Order of Preachers.: Almost word for word again from [15]. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

The Antonio Vivencio del Rosario UST Heritage Library keeps some 30,000 volumes published between 1492 and 1900. Among the collections are La Guerra Judaica (1492) by Josephus Flavius, De revolutionibus orbium coelestium (First edition, 1543) of Nicolaus Copernicus, and the first book ever printed in the Philippines, Doctrina Christiana (1593).: Too close paraphrases the source. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

I'll take another look at earwig after these concerns have been addressed, and then when I do the spot check. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Media clock

The seal image is broken on dark mode, as text becomes unreadable. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Captions clock

Why is its Latin name significant? Is this a common thing? I looked at other university GAs and they don't have the Latin name as a caption. This is probably just something I am missing. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Tags clock

Date is wrong on File:UniversityOfSantoTomas6.jpg, File:UST Seal 1619 1733.png, File:UST Seal 1868 1935.png, File:UST Seal 1957 1983.png. In order to justify it being in public domain, they must have been published before 1929 somewhere. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

File:UST seal 1636.png needs to be moved to Commons, and the correct metadata needs to be added (as has been tagged) It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

The date is fine on File:UST seal 1875–1909.png because it is a digitization I think. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

I know this is a pain, but the flag elements except the Dominican Cross are derivative works of the original copyrighted logo. This means that if you cannot find an image of the symbols in the public domain, they need to be removed from commons and uploaded with free use rationales as with the original logo. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

File:400 Year old Beauty.jpg is correctly tagged. It has a tag for the architecture and a tag for the photograph. Most the other architectural photos in this article need the tag for the architecture. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

File:Acta Fundacion de Santo Tomas, 1611.JPG has two tags, but probably needs some subheadings to clarify that the two seemingly contradictory tags are for the object and the photo respectively. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

File:Ustpopulation.jpg: Needs a Commons description It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

All of the public domain (not the CC licensed) photographs need tags for both why they are public domain in the US, and why they are public domain in the Philippines (see File:Jose Rizal full.jpg for example on how to do it right). Most images are missing information about why they are public domain in the US. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

File:Sergio Osmena photo.jpg: Date wrong It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Tagging is a pain... It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Suggestions

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Linking the publishers in the references can be useful for readers to better understand their reliability, though I understand for this article that would be a big job. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)